azerbyjam Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I've just received my second Breitling SFSO (yes, second! I gave the first one to my father, azerbyjam sr.) and on checking the movement, found it to be a Sellita rather than the Eta, as I had ordered. I was one of the people who purchased the first batch of Ult. POs, only to find out a few months later that the advertised Swiss Eta movement, was in fact a Sellita. At the time I felt fairly annoyed, not at the quality of the watch or the movement - it keeps good time and The Zigmeister has said it's reliable, but I feel that when you pay for something that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopypants Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 does the datewheel have serifs on the font? PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 you said you got it from dealers based outside of china...but are those dealers present on the rep forums or not?... it sucks big time to see that the mvt isn't the one that has been advertised..it's a scam!...you expect to get what you pay for... imagine just how much members do not open the caseback to check the mvt...me for first..i can see only those with a see trough caseback...and even those mvt are not anymore to be belived what they are advertised for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweattdogg Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Well I don't know about the movement, but I can tell you that 1000m water resistant is definately BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azerbyjam Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 does the datewheel have serifs on the font? PP Serifs on the ETA, the Selita is sans serif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azerbyjam Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 you said you got it from dealers based outside of china...but are those dealers present on the rep forums or not?... it sucks big time to see that the mvt isn't the one that has been advertised..it's a scam!...you expect to get what you pay for... imagine just how much members do not open the caseback to check the mvt...me for first..i can see only those with a see trough caseback...and even those mvt are not anymore to be belived what they are advertised for... The first one I bought (unworn) from a member on the forum but he told me it had come from one of our UK dealers, it was described as Swiss ETA and that's what it is. The second I bought from another dealer, and just to clarify the point, he didn't advertise the watch but my enquiry (several emails) to him about the watch specified quite clearly that I wanted to buy the watch with a Swiss ETA movement. It was obvious that there was a difference between the date fonts on the two watches and that's what prompted me to open the back and check the movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 The first one I bought (unworn) from a member on the forum but he told me it had come from one of our UK dealers, it was described as Swiss ETA and that's what it is. The second I bought from another dealer, and just to clarify the point, he didn't advertise the watch but my enquiry (several emails) to him about the watch specified quite clearly that I wanted to buy the watch with a Swiss ETA movement. It was obvious that there was a difference between the date fonts on the two watches and that's what prompted me to open the back and check the movement. ok, name the dealer. There have been many who wonder if the "Swiss" version of the steelfish is swiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmzy Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 This is the very reason I will not fork out the exrta for 'swiss'......you just never know what to expect for all that extra dosh. Do tell who supplied / duped you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swemoose Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I'd be interested in finding that out too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azerbyjam Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 This is the very reason I will not fork out the exrta for 'swiss'......you just never know what to expect for all that extra dosh. Do tell who supplied / duped you. To be fair, the Selita is a Swiss movement, I have one in a UPO that runs perfectly although that was also sold to me as ETA. I'm waiting for a response from the dealer about this and I think its only fair to see what he has to say before I name him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I'd not be upset about getting a Selita, to be honest. In 5 years, when your watch needs a service, spares will be more common than for ETAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azerbyjam Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I'd not be upset about getting a Selita, to be honest. In 5 years, when your watch needs a service, spares will be more common than for ETAs. Not really upset about the Selita movement, its more about getting what you ask and pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Not really upset about the Selita movement, its more about getting what you ask and pay for. Fair enough. So no equivalent substitutes then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Hi, of course it's not a drama to get a Selita movement. I read in a thread a justified remark saying that the Selita is probably more Swiss than our ETAs... But the point is that we don't know how it is pricewise against an ETA. Not mentionning the "little white lie". How common are Selita movements currently and how easily can parts be changed, whenever needed ? Is the movement swapable against an ETA ? I may remember that the answer is NO. So...good movement, but same problems of after-sales than our Asian clones, at least today. I have strongly "praised" the Asian version (that costs 139 dollars shipped from Ruby), encouraging anyone to go for it. And did not find the price difference charged for an ETA and AR coating economically. Discovering this Selita movement in the rep is one more argument for my story. That SFSO of course looks great, and even greater with its AR. But we have one more example it's not worth 300+ dollars, not even talking about the dishonesty of the dealer who provided the thing. I would ask the dealer for a strong discount. I don't hesitate to say when I'm happy with a deal, on the other hand, we should inform and protect the community against the dealers who don't play the game. He did not know ? Well, then he should replace the watch. Name him here, after you solved your problem of course... Reading your unpleasant story, I stick more than ever to the 250- dollars reps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Just back from the website. http://www.sellita.ch/catalogue/mvts_auto.html Is this Sellita 2824 really not swapable ? The Sellita story will obviously be a hot topic in the immediate future. The other thing which is not clear for me is that I understood Sellita is a customer from ETA... Their biggest actually (or used to be). So, are they the manufacturers of these Sellita movements, or are they "just" tuning/modifying/using them ? And if so, the Sellita movements should not be cheaper than the ETA ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Is this Sellita 2824 really not swapable ? Sure, but I believe the Selitas used here are SW200s, not 2824s. If the movement in the uPO is a Sellita 2824, it's as ETA as it needs to be as it's made from ETA parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 I've just opened an other Sellita thread here, not to spoil too much Azerbyjam's one about the SFSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedo Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Not really upset about the Selita movement, its more about getting what you ask and pay for. Yeah, I got screwed over on that whole Russian mail order bride thing - her passport said Ukraine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azerbyjam Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Update - I've been away or busy for most of the weekend so sorry for lack of information. The dealer has been extreamly helpful and resolved the issue to my satisfation. At first the offer was to replace the watch with an Eta version, which he didn't have in stock, but the supplier has come back and said '..all ETA 2824 watches now come with these (Sellita) movements..' therefore I've decided to accept a refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Mmm... The question is to know if this is a good news. I mean, the SW200 replacing the ETA 2824, not the refund of course (which is an honorable epilogue). If this decision is "official" most dealers would be inspired to mention the Sellita movement on their websites before some real struggle or "little white lies" issues pop up again. That would be a fair solution, as I now see no problem to buy a Sellita movement... However, I'm really concerned by the potential price difference. You guess why. Besides, I wonder if this concerns all new modells or if older modells are also concerned (I'm thinking of a PATEK thing with an ETA soon). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azerbyjam Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 I don't know how many different sources there are for these watches but if the information from this dealer is applicable to all the others then the implication would be that when current stocks in dealers hands are depleted all new orders will be powered by Sellita movements. Personally I don't see this as a problem providing of course that they are accurately described although I don't know if there is a price difference that should be reflected in the price of the watch. azerbyjam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I don't know how many different sources there are for these watches but if the information from this dealer is applicable to all the others then the implication would be that when current stocks in dealers hands are depleted all new orders will be powered by Sellita movements. Personally I don't see this as a problem providing of course that they are accurately described although I don't know if there is a price difference that should be reflected in the price of the watch. azerbyjam ETA 2824-2 powered SFSOs are back on the market after short mov't supply problem. At least this is the info I got from one of the largest cartel rep dealers, yesterday. The price of ETA mov'ts has skyrocketed in the last 6 months, with the supply somewhat restricted, so it could be a contributing factor to a situation where the rep makers were looking for more affordable Swiss auto mov't alternatives. Sellitas are excellent mov'ts, however SFSO comes with ETA-2824-2 as genuine, so I could understand why some of us are hung up on the idea to actually have one in our SFSO reps. Sorry you got 'stung', I guess it's like with everything rep-related...it's just luck of a draw, and most of the times you can't do much about it . I was always against that overused phrase "buy the seller" but in rep business, I believe it rings true. cheers, babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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